March 07, 2004 - 7:24 p.m.

QUOTATIONS

.The Smiths
'The Cemetery Gates' from their album 'The Queen is
Dead'.  Go and buy it.  The songs have lovely 
melodies as well as great/quirky lyrics.  It's 
consistantly good and one of the best albums i have 
ever heard.
  He pronounces 'plagiarise' 'play guh rise' 
instead of a soft 'page' g.

A dreaded sunny day
so I meet you at the cemetery gates
Keats and Yeats are on your side

A dreaded sunny day
so I meet you at the cemetery gates
Keats and Yeats are on your side
while Wilde is on mine

So we go inside and we gravely read the stones
all those people all those lives
where are they now?
with the loves and hates
and passions just like mine
they were born
and then they lived and then they died
seems so unfair
and I want to cry

You say: "ere thrice the sun done salutation to the dawn"
and you claim these words as your own
but I've read well, and I've heard them said
a hundred times, maybe less, maybe more

If you must write prose and poems
the words you use should be your own
don't plagiarise or take "on loans"
there's always someone, somewhere
with a big nose, who knows
and who trips you up and laughs
when you fall
who'll trip you up and laugh
when you fall

You say: "ere long done do does did"
words which could only be your own
and then you then produce the text
from whence was ripped some dizzy whore, 1804

A dreaded sunny day
so let's go where we're happy
and I meet you at the cemetery gates
Oh Keats and Yeats are on your side

A dreaded sunny day
so let's go where we're wanted
and I meet you at the cemetery gates
Keats and Yeats are on your side
but you lose because Wilde is on mine

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.IEE FLAAME YOO!!~!~!

'Anyone who defends her is her friend, and everyone 
else is the enemy. It's pretty typical behaviour 
for middle-class, borderline bipolar kids in the 
US.'

http://pekingduck.org/archives/001049.php
'Up-update: In yet another post all about how she 
(glutter) wants to be totally alone and solitary, a 
wise commenter uses two quotes to offer gentle 
counsel:' [aarrg he calls me wise then deletes this 
comment.  I guess he changed his mind!  awe well, 
it made my day anyway.  The direct link above still 
works!]

http://glutter.typepad.com/glutter/2004
/02/wwwglutterorg_a.html#comments
"The person who tries to live alone will not 
succeed as a human being. His heart withers if it 
does not answer another heart. His mind shrinks 
away if he hears only the echoes of his own 
thoughts and finds no other inspiration."
-Pearl S. Buck

"It is easy in the world to live after the world's 
opinion; it is easy in solitude to live after our 
own; but the great man is he who in the midst of 
the crowd keeps with perfect sweetness the 
independence of solitude."
-Ralph Waldo Emerson

Posted by: dingwenyue at February 24, 2004 08:24 PM

Shit. What a load of shit. Sorry.

Posted by: Glutterbug at February 24, 2004 09:35 PM

BTW, You're another China blogger I do not know. 
Have no idea who, never been to your blog who feels 
they have something important to say about how I 
should lead my life. Please don't bother. I find 
far too many of you annoying at best, ridiculous in 
the median, dispicable at worse. Who do you think 
you are? Because whatever it is, that's not how I 
view you.

Yan

Posted by: Glutterbug at February 24, 2004 09:37 PM

im not chinese and im not a blogger.
As a human being I suggest you need a hug.

If you dont want people saying things about how you 
lead your life i suggest you dont write a public 
personal website with a comments section.

Posted by: dingwenyue at February 24, 2004 10:26 PM

i am afraid i learned a lesson today about what 
dingwenyue said--opening yourself up to criticism. 
I got an email from my dad today, who was deeply 
disappointed with the foul language i used on my 
blog and with my continual disparaging of the US 
and the President. Despite the fact that i think he 
is brainwashed by US conservatives, i still felt 
sad to let him down. but then i stepped back and 
realized that i was right, and i had always been, 
and i wasn't going to be guilted or platituded into 
shutting up.

So I have to agree with you. Though I like Emerson, 
but hate Buck, quoting out of context is just 
another way to avoid an actual criticism--something 
else my dad is good at.

It's like trying to fit a non-sequitor peg into an 
a propos hole.

[apropos

    adj : of an appropriate or pertinent nature 
    [ant: malapropos] adv 1: by the way; "apropos, 
    can you lend me some money for the weekend?" 
    [syn: incidentally] 2: at an opportune time; 
    "your letter arrived apropos" [syn: seasonably, 
    timely, well-timed]
 [French à propos : à, to (from Old French a, from 
  Latin ad-. See ad-) + propos, purpose (from Latin 
  propositum, neuter past participle of proponere,   
  to intend. See propose).]
 ]

Posted by: tiger at February 25, 2004 02:29 AM

I do feel dingwenyue is right, to a degree, about 
solitude. If you live in your own world, then it's 
easy to have strong opinions. But if you open 
yourself up to opposing forces, then it encourages 
you to think and/or strengthen your claims and your 
beliefs.

Like how I visit some sites to better understand 
their hypocrisy, to better put them in their place 
in future thoughts and beliefs. (Not referring to 
your site).

Although, I do think in your case, you are 
disassociating with LIC for your own valid reasons 
and I commend that. However, for many of these 
people, "living in china" is very much "that" which 
you don't like and have a problem with, and not 
much else. Unfortunately.

Just my two cents worth.

Posted by: Eshin at February 25, 2004 11:56 AM

I can't say I agree with dingwenyue because I don't 
think the comparison is an apt one. Certainly not 
the Buck quote - Yan's not shrinking away from the 
crowd, just stating a preference about which crowd. 
Glutter is still open to public reading and links 
to alot of blogs. Buck's quote didn't mean you had 
to hang out with everybody no matter how much you 
dislike them. LiC is like a club or a bar, and it's 
not the only one in town.

And dingwenyue, I think there's a difference 
between commenting about "how someone leads their 
life" and how someone writes their blog. Even as 
naked as the Laowai Monologues are, it's still a 
text - I don't know the guy for real and most 
likely never will. There's life, and there's life 
at 56K (to paraphrase Truffaut).

   [French New Wave filmmaker whose works include 
   The 400 Blows (1959) and Jules and Jim (1961).
   he seems to have loads of people quoting his   
   'witty' generalisations on the net, but i cant 
   find anything like the one above.  I guess he's 
   talking about the difference between life as 
   presented on a webpage, and someone's real life. 
   That is a truism!
  Tru"ism, n. [From True.] An undoubted or 
  self-evident truth; a statement which is pliantly 
  true; a proposition needing no proof or argument; 
  -- opposed to falsism.

  Trifling truisms clothed in great, swelling 
  words. --J. P. Smith.]

Don't presume to know about Yan's life.

Posted by: Dave at February 25, 2004 01:34 PM

I was probably a far too harsh on Ding, because 
it's not him who really bugs me. So I apologise for 
my words. Although a gentler sentiment still holds. 
However, it's a continual battle to be not attacked 
by the losers of the China blogging community for 
saying what I say.

I don't think solitude is a bad thing. I think far 
too many people spend time NOT being by themselves 
and thinking.

It's not like I don't have readers in the context 
of Glutter, or in the case of real life, friends.

Actually as time has gone on, I although I was very 
cynical about Internet "friendships" I think I have 
gone to see most of the commenters on this blog as 
some form of friends. I don't know if any of them 
will ever translate into "real" life, but at least 
they are people who exist in my mind with valid 
things to say. I suppose if someone I knew, who has 
commented on it, then I will listen, but those who 
know the circumstances would not say that because 
as Eshin said. "Valid Reasons."

Yan

Posted by: Glutterbug at February 25, 2004 01:40 PM

'Acceptance: We do not all agree and we don't have 
to. Please do not expect others to say you are 
right, because there are plenty of people all the 
time who think you might not be.

Do not criticize the owner of this blog'

I think that's quite funny.
- but fair enough! your blog your rules.

pff... ill add a bit more because im bored and i 
want to communicate, however ineptly.

' A personal attack is classified as a comment made 
to the person themselves rather than what they 
said'

You cant draw a line between criticising what you 
say and criticising _you_. Everything on here is 
what you say. I cant launch a personal attack. If i 
say 'you are stupid' it would mean i think what you 
wrote is stupid. I cant criticise your physical 
appearance so..

I wonder if most blog hostility isnt just a symptom 
of bordom. Im going to leave my computer and go for 
a walk.

Posted by: dingwenyue at February 26, 2004 01:18 AM

You can't really tell the difference between the 
two? Man. I really don't want YOU or your opinions 
here. Okay? :)
   [I think that sarcastic smile when you're 
   really angry is good argument technique in real 
   life too. It reminds me of angry women and it 
   scares me. seriously.]
Yan

Posted by: Glutterbug at February 26, 2004 01:24 AM

BTW. I could simple disagree with you and say 
"there is a difference" and explain it or I can 
call you a LOSER. (Taking props from Chrissie 
Hynde.) Now since you can't tell the difference I 
will stick with the personal attack.

dingwenyue YOU ARE A LOSER.


No one really cares what you think because none of 
us know you. You have not proved yourself as anyone 
with any intelligence or worthy words except that 
you can go into "Wisdom Quotes" and pick out 
something you percieve might give you some borrowed 
glory of being smart because you found it.

I bet you don't even know who Buck and Emerson is, 
unlike some people who come on this site.

Why tell us you are going for a walk? Like anyone 
here gives a shit about what you do in your life. 
You can drown in a pond and all I can say is, "Oh, 
yeah, that guy came in the blog once and left a 
comment or two. He kinda seemed like a loser. How 
sad."


Posted by: Glutterbug at February 26, 2004 01:29 AM

You're right i dont know Buck and Emerson, i just 
liked the quotation. Are they American writers? I 
guess you could say im still near the start of my 
book reading career.
Im sorry if ive upset you, but if im a looser i 
assure you its the teenage angst kind rather than 
the evil bald gweilo kind. You assume im a guy, but 
my teacher told me Ding WenYue was a girl's name? 
hmpf, maybe its unisex.

I enjoy reading your website and i hope you wont 
ban me. But ill cancel that invitation to do a 
reading at my funeral. 

Posted by: dingwenyue at February 26, 2004 03:22 AM

[damn i was too fawning in that last comment]
fawning


Fawn Fawn, v. i. [imp. & p. p. Fawned; p. pr. & 
vb. n. Fawning.] [OE. fawnen, fainen, fagnien, to 
rejoice, welcome, flatter, AS. f[ae]gnian to 
rejoice; akin to Icel. fagna to rejoice, welcome. 
See Fain.] To court favor by low cringing, 
frisking, etc., as a dog; to flatter meanly; -- 
often followed by on or upon.

You showed your teeth like apes, and fawned like 
hounds. --Shak.

Thou with trembling fear, Or like a fawning 
parasite, obeyest. --Milton.

Courtiers who fawn on a master while they betray 
him. --Macaulay.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

 
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